tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31099203.post1824883154074690542..comments2023-07-23T04:50:58.496-04:00Comments on All Politics Is Local: The Emperor has No ClothesAaron Ginsberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10586651764906428965noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31099203.post-87689737904189974362007-02-02T19:02:00.000-05:002007-02-02T19:02:00.000-05:00The WTO clause on special and differential treatme...The WTO clause on special and differential treatment is outdated. There is no room in this crisis for post-colonial guilt trips. It is impossible in a globalized economy to change the rules for only some of the players. Conservative fear mongering is overblown. However, the reality remains that there is incentive for industry to go outside of the Appendix I countries in order to avoid Kyoto restrictions. Kyoto is not a first step if the "greening" of the first world is simply a transferring of pollution into the third. I would love to extend a helping hand to the industrializing world. However, we should give them green technologies and strategies and not a free license to pollute.<br /><br />We can little afford to wait until China's pollution puts countries like Tuvalu under water. Canuckistanian, you should do research. Tuvalu was the third country to ratify Kyoto. That makes sense for a low-lying island nation threatened by rising sea-levels. However, the exclusion from Kyoto of the United States, Australia and oil producing, if war torn, countries like Iraq and Angola is a serious challenge to solving the global warming crisis. If the United States is unwilling to join the international consensus, the entire movement is unlikely to succeed. We need all hands on deck. The 37, almost exclusively European, remaining countries that still are bound by Kyoto are not enough. Environmentalists in North America would be well served, if we separate ourselves from the Kyoto protocol.Aaron Ginsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10586651764906428965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31099203.post-37078022690192479492007-02-02T13:39:00.000-05:002007-02-02T13:39:00.000-05:00how is it fair to force reductions on countries th...how is it fair to force reductions on countries that have never had the chance to use fossil fuels to develop their economies when we've been polluting for centuries??? certainly your view lacks a dimension on equity akin to the WTO's "special and differential" treatment clause. kyoto is a first step to a solution. you seem to be arguing to get rid of the first step. that the developed economies would and should be the first to make emissions reductions is beyond dispute....duh! <br /><br />oh, btw, i hear tuvalu hasn't signed on; we should all agree to do nothing until they sign on.canuckistanianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00224304919198435405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31099203.post-15824277143722365382007-02-02T12:55:00.000-05:002007-02-02T12:55:00.000-05:00Don't get lost in the confusion over what Kyoto wa...Don't get lost in the confusion over what Kyoto was about. It was never supposed to be an answer, merely a symbolic beginning.<br /><br />That said, you're right about China and India and others. I think Chirac has an answer - a carbon tax on all imports from countries that don't clean up their pollution standards. We're talking about a massive tariff that<br />will make access to Western markets entirely conditional on dealing with GHGs. It's easy, it makes sense and it protects our industries from unfair competition from foreign companies who don't have to clean up.<br /><br />Consider it "reverse carbon trading"The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31099203.post-77322649058671802032007-02-02T11:48:00.000-05:002007-02-02T11:48:00.000-05:00Penalty? You want international law to have teeth...Penalty? You want international law to have teeth? Keep dreaming. The EU might be upset but they'd get over it. At any rate, I'm not talking about pulling out. I'm talking about a major overhaul.<br /><br />Gore talks about the population bomb in An Inconvenient Truth. He acknowledges that China and India are the growing concern. He fails to connect the dots to Kyoto's critical flaw which is unfortunate.Aaron Ginsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10586651764906428965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31099203.post-22487507835507669842007-02-02T09:56:00.000-05:002007-02-02T09:56:00.000-05:00Well then, if you have any solutions, leave them ...Well then, if you have any solutions, leave them over at Mike's post <a href="http://rationalreasons.blogspot.com/2007/02/dont-like-plan-give-alternatives-or.html">here</a>Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31099203.post-45582809929790002732007-02-02T09:49:00.000-05:002007-02-02T09:49:00.000-05:00For all the people that do not think too much of K...For all the people that do not think too much of Kyoto... (my, how opinions change in a few years) there is a fee or something for getting out of the Accord, isn't there ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31099203.post-54390251109706383082007-02-02T09:39:00.000-05:002007-02-02T09:39:00.000-05:00I'm a conservative supporter, but on this issue im...I'm a conservative supporter, but on this issue im all on taking ideas from other parties to solve the issue, it's to important for name calling over who stole who's idea, a good idea is a good idea, and your absolutley right, unless China contributes to a solution anything we may tray to accomplish will just be made up by Chinese industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com